Mom sparks online debate after asking if upper-class people are ruder than others
A woman has sparked a heated debate online after questioning whether members of the UK’s middle class are becoming more rude.
The anonymous woman took Mumsnet to reveal one of his close friends has become ‘straight’ and developed a ‘cold sense of smugness’ since moving to an upscale neighborhood, and asked if it was a common theme .
She was met with mixed reactions as some agreed that wealthier people tend to have worse manners.
Others said that people can be rude no matter where they come from, and that rudeness isn’t about class, but rather how people are raised by their parents.
An anonymous woman has taken to Mumsnet to reveal that one of her close friends has become ‘rude’ and ‘authoritative’ since moving to an upscale neighborhood, and asks if it was a common theme (stock image)
The woman explained that even her friend’s children seemed to have more ‘rights’ since moving to a ‘conservative middle class’ area.
The mother explained how she noticed a change in her friend’s behavior since she moved.
“A good friend of mine recently moved to a very upscale, conservative, middle-class neighborhood,” she explained.
“And I’ve noticed that she’s gotten more abrupt and to me, just rude over the last two years. Her kids are lovely and I’m very close to them, but they’re also now quite rude and dare I say, have right.
Not intentionally, but almost no please and thank you, lots of “wants” instead of “can I have?”. The thing is, all the families I’ve interacted with in this area are all the same.
“It’s just the norm, but I find it really irritating. There’s always this cold feeling of smugness and self-satisfaction.
“I think in general in the UK mores have gone down and rights have gone up, but across all grades, not just middle/upper,” one Mumsnet user replied.
Another echoed her sentiment, saying: ‘I think there has been a general decline in manners across the board, driven by an increased sense of entitlement. When many people are challenged or encounter a problem, their default setting seems to be hyper-aggressiveness or a totally self-centered sense of outrage.
But another agreed with his view, saying: ‘I get what you mean. The more “nice” (or perceived to be) an area, people seem more empowered and a little stuck. Beware people,” wrote another.
People rushed to share their comments, arguing that there is a sense of rudeness among the middle class, saying they don’t say thank you for polite gestures and that their children are “entitled to them too”.
Another commenter added that his daughter is a riding instructor in a ‘middle class beach town/second home’.
“It’s mostly the middle classes who are rude and demanding,” she said. “A wealthy local business owner called my daughter at 10.10pm last Saturday night to book lessons for her little darlings.
“Many arrive late, cancel within an hour of a lesson, arrive late to pick up their children, expect little Polly to gallop along the beach on her first lesson.
“She says less affluent families/kids generally behave better and listen to instructions.”
Another poster told a similar story, saying they had a business in a “very nice part of London”.
“Being in London, it’s also just around the corner from a place that isn’t even halfway nice,” she said. “We get a wide range of customers, generally nudges from the not nice area are more polite and locals are more than entitled to w***ers.”
Interestingly, one Mumsnet user said she knew an academic who was investigating this topic after observing increased middle-class rudeness.
“His assertion was that this generation was under more pressure to compete. At work, many of us have goals and reviews,” she said. “We work longer hours and irregular hours. Meetings are more difficult to access due to traffic jams and lack of parking.
“Kids want more ‘stuff’ and want to do more activities, horseback riding, paddle boarding, etc. The list continues.
Some have claimed that those who are truly “classy” do not look down on others, while other commentators have claimed that there has been a general decline in manners and that it has nothing to do with class.
“So we become impatient because we are prevented from achieving our personal goals.”
In a strong-worded post, another wrote that “on the whole, middle-class baby boomers and their empowered brats are without a doubt the rudest people to ever walk the earth.”
“I’ve often been extremely polite and walked off the sidewalk for a family or held an open door for someone or let someone pass me in line, and haven’t received the acknowledgment that I’m a living human being, let alone a thank you,” added another. “As I’m quite mean-spirited, I find calling them with a loud ‘You’re welcome’ makes them feel embarrassed – especially because I have a real middle-class vibe and I am vocal.”
Other commentators have added that those who are really well off and can afford to be snobby rarely are.
‘They are idiots. The saying that money can’t buy your class is absolutely true. Real Toffs have insanely good manners,” one wrote.
Another added: ‘It’s true. All of the really classy, ”old money” guys I’ve encountered have been respectful and unfailingly polite.